Traveller-digest     Monday, September 6 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1067



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The following topics are covered in this digest:

Re: Vacuum tube computers
Re: Comparitive Sexualities
Re: The Big Button
Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1051
Re: Vacuum tube computers
Re: Titan Games Preview for (9/5/99)
Re: Vacuum tube computers
Re: Vacuum tube computers
Re: The Big Button (was Re: Testing the Waters)
Re: Acceptable Battle Losses 
Re: Jump Horizons of stars
Reavers' Deep webring
Re: The Big Button
Re: UpPorts (was AKUS MOBY Update (was Ship Damage...Oh my!))
Re: Acceptable Battle Losses (was: Re: Safety of low berths)
Re Vaccum Tube Comps
Re Technology Demographics
[none]
RE: Re Technology Demographics
Re: The Big Button
Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1051
Re: Reavers' Deep webring
Re: Lost Keith Supplements "refund" 

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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:22:46 -0400
From: "Thomas Schoene" <TomSchoene@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Vacuum tube computers

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> From: Terry Carlino <carlino@home.com>
> To: Traveller Mailing list <traveller@mpgn.com>
> Subject: Re: Vacuum tube computers
> Date: Monday, 06 September, 1999 4:33 PM
> 
> >This brings up a question I have had for along time, is the vacuum of
space
> >as hard a vacuum as in a vacuum tube?  
[snip]
> Reminds me of an E.E. "Doc" Cummings story. it was a one-fer (Not part of
> one of his well known series.) In it one of the Heroes, A brilliant
> Physicist/Engineer/Jack of All Trades types is on a liner which is
attacked > by pirates. 
[snip rest of story]

EE "Doc" Smith.  _Spacehounds of IPC_.  Not one of his best, IMO.

Tom Schoene

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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:36:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net>
Subject: Re: Comparitive Sexualities

>> I also have
>>  Vargr females only sexually receptive at certain times (they
>>  go into "heat").
>
>Hmm, I hadn't thought of that. Are humans the only species that is sexually
>active regardless of metabolic cycle? What is up with benoboes(sp?)?

No, humans are not the only species with concealed estrus. Banoboes also
have concealed estrus, and a proclivity to sex that puts humans to shame
(IIRC, ~20 copulations per day, often with as many as a different partner
each time).

Octopi and Squids often have copulation outside of estrus, but they store
the sperm, for fertilization during their fertile period.

> Are
>they just always in heat?

no. Their receptivity outside of the estrus/heat cycle is what is called
"concealed estrus"; in short, they don't reject copulation because they are
not in heat, and don't advertise when they are.

> Do the Aslan go into heat? I know Hiver
>sexuallity, as it is tied into their culture deeply, but I had never thought
>about the other races.

very little official, other than vargr are still terran mammals.

>What is the difference between "heat" and "estrus"?
>ISTR heat is just the common term, estrus the clinical, but I'm not sure.
>Why don't humans go into heat? Sorry if these are basic questions, but I
>always get such well worded answers on this list.

heat, at least in common usage locally, refers to an estrus induced period
of receptivity. Estrus is the actual fertile timeframe. I have yet to hear
the terms "heat" or "estrus"  in reference to a non-mammal, but that may
just eb lack of exposure (or over-exposure to mushers).

A modern (last 10 years or so) study found that human females do go into a
"heat" cycle... it is just concealed. During estrus, human females have a
tendancy to dress more revealingly, and most human females who do cheat on
their partners tend to cheat during estrus. (Saw this on Desmond Morris'
"The Human Sexes")

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interface!"
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Date: Mon, 06 Sep 99 16:38:09 -0500
From: "Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net>
Subject: Re: The Big Button

On 09/06/99 at 12:31 PM,  Michel Vaillancourt <misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca> said:

>        You missed my point.  One "Ethically Challenged Merchant" who
>makes planetfall on a Boneyard World and fails to take proper
>precautions while scavenging re-starts the whole thing all over
>again.
>        Now, admittedly, the changes in protocols in the TNE era will
>help contain the speed of re-infection, but if that ship gets to a
>starport where there is a global data net...  BOOM.  <shrug>  That's
>the problem I see.. not that a "flare up" will re-trash everything
>that has been rebuilt, but rather that every once in a while a flare
>up is going to kill a few million people.  For generations to come.

Michel, it's the "eggs" that are the big problem with re-infection,
right?  The actual Virus infected devices are more obvious and
*every* will be careful with them.  It's the eggs left in all the
devices with too little processing power that cause a lot of the
continuing trouble.

So, how about we modify Virus just slightly and say it can't produce
these eggs in anything that it can't actually "live" in?  Bigger
computerized devices will have to be carefully handled, and if small
devices are networked to a Virus infected device it can still
control them.  However, non-networked small devices wouldn't
continue to be dangerous and neither would networked ones that are
disconnected from their controller. 

Would that be dangerous enough, short term, but a little more benign
long term?

Eris
- -- 
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"Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net>    using MR/2 ICE #245
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Date: Mon, 06 Sep 99 16:41:23 -0500
From: "Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net>
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1051

On 09/06/99 at 12:33 PM,  Michel Vaillancourt <misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca> said:

>>Does anyone have any ideas on how to produce a localized and persistant
>high pressure ridge? Idea being to eventually change the course of a
>jet stream, creating an El Nino type effect in some part of a world.

>        Orbital mirrors and a big patch of ground.
>        Or get crazy and orbital microwave stations and a big patch of
>charred ground.

Hee! Any ideas for something less obvious?  Something that could be hidden on the surface, or underwater, and be covertly causing problems?

Eris
- -- 
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"Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net>    using MR/2 ICE #245
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:45:30 +0100
From: Mark Watson <markw@antares.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Vacuum tube computers

On Mon, 06 Sep 1999, Terry Carlino wrote:

>Reminds me of an E.E. "Doc" Cummings story. it was a one-fer (Not part of
>one of his well known series.) 
... but still more exciting than his poetry :-)
- --
Mark Watson, markw@antares.demon.co.uk

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Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 21:30:49 +0200
From: Volker Greimann <volker@greimann.de>
Subject: Re: Titan Games Preview for (9/5/99)

><< <koff> _$41?!_ <koff>    >>
>
At these prices, the Alien Encyclopedia becomes a GREAT deal at 250
Deutschmarks..
Volker
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:51:25 -0400
From: "Terry Carlino" <carlino@home.com>
Subject: Re: Vacuum tube computers

>I'm not sure if these tubes were used to run computers, though. But I don't
>see why not. (How big would a room have to be using these tubes to equal
>the function of a standard desktop PC? Say, my 200MMX with 32 megs of RAM?)

As I recall in Smith's stories 'computers' were math wizzes who calculated
orbital and astrogation vectors in their heads in real time to allow the
pilots to fly their spacecraft. Electronic brains need not apply.

Terry C

All that is Gold does not glitter
Not all who travel are lost

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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:54:03 -0400
From: "Terry Carlino" <carlino@home.com>
Subject: Re: Vacuum tube computers

Terry C wrote in a brain dead haze:
Reminds me of an E.E. "Doc" Cummings story.

I meant "Doc" Smith, of course.

Terry C

All that is Gold does not glitter
Not all who travel are lost 

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Date: Mon, 06 Sep 99 16:55:09 -0500
From: "Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net>
Subject: Re: The Big Button (was Re: Testing the Waters)

On 09/06/99 at 12:35 PM,  Michel Vaillancourt <misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca> said:

>>Sure.  A substantial part of the computer tech IMTU is based on
>>micro-tube technology.  You get big power hungry computers...just
>>like CT.  <g> My rational has nothing to do with Virus, though.
>>It's the negative effects from the interaction between quantum state
>>devices that make CG/AG possible and solid state electronics. 

>        I am gleefully missappropriating that hand-wave for MTU,
>Eris.  Perfect!

Thanks and you are welcome to use any of my ideas. <g>

Microelectronics still work, but have a very short MTBF around
working CG/AG devices.  Transistors and IC's are used in *heavily*
shielded devices, but micro tube tech is preferred when possible.

Oh, and cultures that developed microelectronics before CG, often
*don't* develop gravity control.  Imagine what the effect is when a
Scout ship with CG flies over the city of a one of these
cultures...like a moving power surge. <g>

The effect I went for IMTU was that big mainframe systems on a
planet (or ship) could still do fast processing and store truly
massive amounts of data, but PC systems weren't much faster than
current models and were a little larger and much heavier because of
the equipment's bulk and need for a lot of additional shielding.
For example, cellphones exist but never get down to commdot size.

- -- 
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"Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net>    using MR/2 ICE #245
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Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 15:16:50 -0700
From: shudson@lightspeed.bc.ca (Steven Hudson)
Subject: Re: Acceptable Battle Losses 

>From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net>
>Subject: Acceptable Battle Losses (was: Re: Safety of low berths)
...
>> >I believe allied bombing raids over Germany during WWII had higher
>> >acceptable losses (especially the US daylight missions)?  I'm also lead to
>> 
>>   IIRC it was felt that losses approaching 10% per strike were going to
>> have really bad effects unless the accomplishments were truly amazing*.
>> 
>>   *and loss rates of the strike craft attacking the Japanese carriers
>> at Midway were how high?
>
>The loss comparison between Eighth Air Force strikes on Germany and the
>US Navy/USMC aviators at Midway is not a valid standard, for the
>following reasons:

  No comparison was intended; rather, I was contrasting the two rates of
aircraft loss while bringing up the issue of what achievements the loss
rates in question had to be assessed against. It is of course absurd to
discuss "acceptable" loss rates without reference to the damage inflicted.

        Steven Hudson

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Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 15:41:36 -0700
From: Edward Swatschek <edjs@bitslayer.net>
Subject: Re: Jump Horizons of stars

At 15:31 99/09/06 -0500, Eris Reddoch wrote:

>Which means you pass through Red Giant systems, but hardly ever have 
>traffic going to a world in the habitable zone.  This makes any such world 
>a good candidate for a *serious* backwater or unexplored world even in a 
>fairly well settled region.

Though, in truth, a habitable world around a red giant would be 
exceptionally rare.  A red giant spends so little time in that stage (some 
millions of years), that a planet in the giant's  habitable zone would not 
have enough time to develop life and convert it's atmosphere.

A star with a deep 100d limit might make a useful depot/naval 
base.  Attackers are precipitated out of jump far enough out that surprise 
is near impossible, nor can you effectively blockade the system.


- --
Edward Swatschek - edjs@bitslayer.net
                             - edjs@paralynx.com

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Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 18:59:47 -0400
From: Mark Urbin <eclipse@ultranet.com>
Subject: Reavers' Deep webring

Given all the renewed interest in one of my favorite places, I created a 
Reavers' Deep webring to allow quick access and focus to sites dedicated to 
RD.   Is there any interest in this, or should I scrap it?


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Practice random acts of intelligence & senseless acts of self-control.
                  http://www.ultranet.com/~eclipse/
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 00:25:06 +0100
From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk>
Subject: Re: The Big Button

>So, how about we modify Virus just slightly and say it can't produce
>these eggs in anything that it can't actually "live" in?


Modify all you want. You operate the same rules I do - GM is the boss in his
own universe.

(But if it can live in a system, then why would it be in egg form in the
first place?)

Nick

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Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 19:40:56 -0400
From: Michael Peters <travelleri@home.com>
Subject: Re: UpPorts (was AKUS MOBY Update (was Ship Damage...Oh my!))

Hey Eris,

How's a heretic move into canon? By converting the True Believers! Keep
up the good work! Better yet, post more often, it'll speed up the
process!

Mike

Nick Bradbeer wrote:
> 
> Eris
> >  ps.  Does anyone find these MTU posts useful?  I know they don't
> >  always match published sources, but I hope is some folks might be
> >  able to use (or spark off from) my ideas in their games.  When I
> >  post things like the above I hardly ever hear *any* comments.  If
> >  I'm just wasting everybody's bandwidth I guess I should just stop.
> >  <sigh>
> 
> Eris, shut up and keep posting. #:-)
> 
> Nick

- -- 
Mike Peters
travelleri@home.com

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:44:28 +1200
From: rboleyn@paradise.net.nz
Subject: Re: Acceptable Battle Losses (was: Re: Safety of low berths)

On 5 Sep 99, at 21:38, Nick Bradbeer wrote:

> >The Ju 88 was a light/medium (dive)bomber and not built to attack other
> >planes.
> >It surely lacked agility for that.
> 
> 
> Nevertheless, it saw service as a nightfighter and shot down a lot of
> bombers. It doesn't take a great deal of agility to outmanoevre a B-17 or a
> Lancaster.

Actually it was quite agile. The nightfighter version was a 
modifecation of a heavy fighter variant. Like the Bf110 the fighter Ju88 
was too clumsy for day work where the single engined fighters cut 
them up, but for night work they were just fine. They were the main 
german nightfighter for most of the war.

> I believe some Ju88s were even equipped with cannon in the dorsal fuselage
> pointing directly upward so they could fly under the belly of a bomber and
> deliver a devestating zero-deflection blast at short range.

Actually they were angled about 30 degrees forward. This mount was 
called 'Jazz Music' for reasons I forget, and its big abvantage was 
that it was a lot safer and faster than coming up from behind the 
bomber, as the british bombers had no underbelly guns.

> I think that was rather his point. In terms of casualties, the British came
> off a lot worse. However, the Germans lost their fleet as an effective
> fighting unit, so suffered a strategic defeat.

Not only that the British arrived at Jutland having planned a battle, 
whereas the Germans were out training, and yet the Germans not 
only managed to escape a confrontation they didn't want, but as you 
said, inflicted heavy losses on the British. However they certainly lost 
in the strategic sense.


- --
Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz>
Wellington, New Zealand

A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.

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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:46:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net>
Subject: Re Vaccum Tube Comps

>From: "Daniel Phelps" <phelpsd@gate.net>
>Subject: Re: Vacuum tube computers
>
>This brings up a question I have had for along time, is the vacuum of space
>as hard a vacuum as in a vacuum tube?  If it is than wouldn't that whole
>technology merit rethought for use as in cheap "low tech" applications on
>air less rocks and constant vacuum situations in general?  The guts of the
>"tubes" would need to be shielded from dust of course but the heat
>dissipation issue would be largely solved in short order, indeed a source of
>heat would probably need to be supplied.  What does everyone think?

I don't think it would be a problem.... the micro-tube architechtures are
supposedly hard to distinguish from 1970's solid state save by bulk,
voltage and spike resistance...

There was also an article somewhere about using the same process as
semiconductor building to do micro-vaccum tube work. It is being done in
the US with phosphor-tubes (Arrays of individualt Cathode Ray Tubes, each
doing only one pixel, in a wafer thin board. Build the "tubes" as open
topped pits in the appropriate media, then take it into a vaccum chamber
and seal on the phosphor/pixel plate.)


William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click
interface!"
Aramis 0602 C55A364-C S kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge-
533
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis http://www.alaska.net/~mhaa
ICQ:14640742          AIM:AKAramis	ARM 1.0: 3 R H++ P+
IMTU 1.0: tc tm++ tn- t4-- tt+ to- tg-- ru+ ge 3i+ c+ jt-() au+ st- ls
pi+() ta+ he+(-) kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge- pi+

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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:51:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net>
Subject: Re Technology Demographics

>
> "Jesse DeGraff" <fenris@slip.net> started:
>
>>Well, if you're going to start collecting the demographics ;)
>>

Home: Mac PPC 6100/60, (24/160+260 megs 15" mon.)
	Mac Performa 640 (68040, no monitor, 12/160)
	Mac Color Classic (68030, 9"mon, 10/80)
	Powerbook 520 (B&W, 16/160)
	Apple IIGS, 1/0 Rev1 2x3.5", 2x5.25" drives, IIGS Screen
	Compaq Portable III x86
	Compaq Desktop III x86 (Not booting right, trying to run SCO)
Work:	Performa 6400, 15", 16/1200megs
Everywhere: Newton MP 120, base ram, no PC cards (has slot), no modem... (Sigh)

William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click
interface!"
Aramis 0602 C55A364-C S kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge-
533
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis http://www.alaska.net/~mhaa
ICQ:14640742          AIM:AKAramis	ARM 1.0: 3 R H++ P+
IMTU 1.0: tc tm++ tn- t4-- tt+ to- tg-- ru+ ge 3i+ c+ jt-() au+ st- ls
pi+() ta+ he+(-) kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge- pi+

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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:51:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net>
Subject: [none]

>Reminds me of an E.E. "Doc" Cummings story. it was a one-fer (Not part of
>one of his well known series.)

Shouldn't that be either:
	e.e. cummings
or
	E.E. "Doc" Smith
???
;-)

William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click
interface!"
Aramis 0602 C55A364-C S kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge-
533
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis http://www.alaska.net/~mhaa
ICQ:14640742          AIM:AKAramis	ARM 1.0: 3 R H++ P+
IMTU 1.0: tc tm++ tn- t4-- tt+ to- tg-- ru+ ge 3i+ c+ jt-() au+ st- ls
pi+() ta+ he+(-) kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge- pi+

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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:15:43 -0700
From: "Jesse DeGraff" <fenris@slip.net>
Subject: RE: Re Technology Demographics

And I thought I was bad :)  Oh, forgot my notebook.  P166mmx w/64megs and
4gig hdd.

Jesse

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com
> [mailto:owner-traveller@lists.imagiconline.com]On Behalf Of William F.
> Hostman
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 1999 4:52 PM
> To: traveller@mpgn.com
> Subject: Re Technology Demographics
>
>
> >
> > "Jesse DeGraff" <fenris@slip.net> started:
> >
> >>Well, if you're going to start collecting the demographics ;)
> >>
>
> Home: Mac PPC 6100/60, (24/160+260 megs 15" mon.)
> 	Mac Performa 640 (68040, no monitor, 12/160)
> 	Mac Color Classic (68030, 9"mon, 10/80)
> 	Powerbook 520 (B&W, 16/160)
> 	Apple IIGS, 1/0 Rev1 2x3.5", 2x5.25" drives, IIGS Screen
> 	Compaq Portable III x86
> 	Compaq Desktop III x86 (Not booting right, trying to run SCO)
> Work:	Performa 6400, 15", 16/1200megs
> Everywhere: Newton MP 120, base ram, no PC cards (has slot), no
> modem... (Sigh)
>
> William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click
> interface!"
> Aramis 0602 C55A364-C S kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge-
> 533
> Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis
> http://www.alaska.net/~mhaa
> ICQ:14640742          AIM:AKAramis
> ARM 1.0: 3 R H++ P+
> IMTU 1.0: tc tm++ tn- t4-- tt+ to- tg-- ru+ ge 3i+ c+ jt-() au+ st- ls
> pi+() ta+ he+(-) kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge- pi+
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 21:03:21 -0300
From: Michel Vaillancourt <misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: The Big Button

At 04:38 PM 06/09/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>On 09/06/99 at 12:31 PM,  Michel Vaillancourt
<misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca> said:
>
>>        You missed my point.  One "Ethically Challenged Merchant" who
>>makes planetfall on a Boneyard World and fails to take proper
>>precautions while scavenging re-starts the whole thing all over
>>again.
>>        Now, admittedly, the changes in protocols in the TNE era will
>>help contain the speed of re-infection, but if that ship gets to a
>>starport where there is a global data net...  BOOM.  <shrug>  That's
>>the problem I see.. not that a "flare up" will re-trash everything
>>that has been rebuilt, but rather that every once in a while a flare
>>up is going to kill a few million people.  For generations to come.
>
>Michel, it's the "eggs" that are the big problem with re-infection,
>right?  The actual Virus infected devices are more obvious and
>*every* will be careful with them.  It's the eggs left in all the
>devices with too little processing power that cause a lot of the
>continuing trouble.

        Yes, I know, sorry if I was not clear in my example above.  That was
also my reference to a hand calculator/ Palmtop unit potentially being the
Agent of Doom...  Virus can't run on it, but it is networkable and can hold
the eggs to allow it to reinfect something else.  Like the  "Ethically
Challenged Merchant"'s starship...

>So, how about we modify Virus just slightly and say it can't produce
>these eggs in anything that it can't actually "live" in?  

        That makes perfect sense to me as a limitation.  Otherwise, how did
the "eggs" get there?

>Bigger
>computerized devices will have to be carefully handled, and if small
>devices are networked to a Virus infected device it can still
>control them.  However, non-networked small devices wouldn't
>continue to be dangerous and neither would networked ones that are
>disconnected from their controller. 

        That is far more reasonable.

>Would that be dangerous enough, short term, but a little more benign
>long term?
>
>Eris

        Yes.  That is a foe you can beat.  The "flare up" problem still has
the potential to destroy millions of sophonts, but it won't be happening
Forever More.

        --Michel

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Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 21:04:20 -0300
From: Michel Vaillancourt <misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1051

At 04:41 PM 06/09/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>On 09/06/99 at 12:33 PM,  Michel Vaillancourt
<misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca> said:
>
>>>Does anyone have any ideas on how to produce a localized and persistant
>>high pressure ridge? Idea being to eventually change the course of a
>>jet stream, creating an El Nino type effect in some part of a world.
>
>>        Orbital mirrors and a big patch of ground.
>>        Or get crazy and orbital microwave stations and a big patch of
>>charred ground.
>
>Hee! Any ideas for something less obvious?  Something that could be hidden
on the surface, or underwater, and be covertly causing problems?
>
>Eris

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Date: Mon, 06 Sep 99 19:18:25 -0500
From: "Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net>
Subject: Re: Reavers' Deep webring

On 09/06/99 at 06:59 PM,  Mark Urbin <eclipse@ultranet.com> said:

>Given all the renewed interest in one of my favorite places, I
>created a  Reavers' Deep webring to allow quick access and focus to
>sites dedicated to  RD.   Is there any interest in this, or should I
>scrap it?

I suspect there is some interest, but if you don't tell us where it's located...

Eris
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Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 20:28:34 -0400
From: "Keven R. Pittsinger" <jamstar@accesstoledo.com>
Subject: Re: Lost Keith Supplements "refund" 

> >Now you know why i *LOVE* Reavers' Deep so much.  It's a *great* place to
> >hang out and shoot things.
> 
> 
> "Like a lot of provincial naval commanders, I often get annoyed when I'm
> fighting a nice quiet homespun war over local issues when the Imperial Navy
> decide to get involved, arrive in Battle Riders and shoot all the opposition
> before I can get a missile off. That's why I hang out in the Deep! Reavers
> Deep - where the fun (and firefights) never ends! Call 1-800-SHOOTME for
> your ticket now!"
> 
> Cdr Greyson Hawkes, Caledonian Confederation Star Navy.

Just wait.  It gets *crazier*.  <grin>

Keven

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